Of the three other "romances" we see 3 are mixed races. Based on Julia Quinn's bestselling "Bridgerton" novels, chronicling the eight Bridgerton siblings as they find true love in British high society in the 1810s, Season 1 … Or say nothing at all. This doesn’t happen with the Black women. They won’t change sir Philip as he’s already been in it and there was a photo of him and Eloise together. Premiered Dec 25, 2020. What you’re saying about Asian representation is also absolutely true. Premiered Dec 25, 2020. Also, I want to point out that side character is not synonymous with token character. If you want to look at it as not being diverse.... You can do that but I don't think it's accurate perception. I’m sorry but I feel as tho I’ve belabored this point in my other responses so I implore you to read the other threads if you really want to see my perspective on this. Lady Danbury is indeed a strong character, and from what I understand she's alone because her husband is dead, but we also get to know that she hasn't always been that strong person, that she had to work to become the woman she's is now. Just because someone is rich or have status doesn’t mean they aren’t still a stereotype or servant to the plot. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. They have made changes, and even if we end up in the same place as the books it doesn't mean we are all going to agree. Being aware of the importance of representation and not falling into any typical tropes. A stereotype in one country or culture doesn't mean that other countries have the same stereotype. I would have definitely been more interested in that. It's all about perception. There is a post about Marina maybe being a stereotype - black teen pregnancy, which maybe is true, but doesn't have to be the case in other countries. They’re all right where they started. This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. Because the porn industry has infected media, that’s why. And there worst excuse I hear is “well there’s just no time” or “it’s not accurate” when we’re dealing with a fictional world! Now there’s nothing essentially wrong with this attitude but in a show full of diversity, black representation shouldn’t just mean showing up on camera, it should also mean being able to participate in the plot in a meaningful way — which none of the black women really do. Color blind casting would have been similar to Brandy's Cinderella where you had an Asian son with a black mother and a white father. Weaving them into the plot to make them necessary while slowing peeling away their layers. However when she feels like he doesn’t want her anymore she just kind of sulks. Marina is desirable up until her character creates social suicide and her “complexity“ as you’ve described still leads the character no where. Everyone's entitled to their opinion of what they want to see in the show, whether it's sticking to the books' story line or changing it up. Would they have children (who are alive and are seen on camera). They could have definitely had many girls of different races in important roles instead of making them background characters or “the example of what you don’t want to happen to you”. They contain entertaining and sympathetic stories about the economic and social pressures on gentlewomen of early 19th century Britain. Of the three other "romances" we see 3 … Created by Chris Van Dusen. When you boil it down, Marina is still basically the black single mom who got knocked up and left (before you realize he’s dead). Marina on the other hand is a victim who ultimately just acts as a burden to the featheringtons. Regé-Jean Page as Simon Basset and Phoebe Dynevor as Daphne Bridgerton in "Bridgerton" on Netflix. I probably am thinking too deep into this but I just can’t help but analyze something that I think is great but not perfect. US is 13% black. Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tumblr Pinterest Reddit Skype WhatsApp Telegram Viber … First the show/book/this season centers around, Daphne, Bridgerton family and Simon - they are the main characters. I see what you mean about perspective but that’s not what I’m talking about. These are all women with moral dilemmas who are struggling to make change their circumstances and for the most part they do. Her character loses desirability, innocence, purity and everything else that this show deems admirable. Discussion of the show Bridgerton on Netflix. It’s not just about representation, it’s about what these characters symbolize and if they communicate a bad message or are essentially just the “help” to white protagonists, then it’s not really progressive. The other households are Featherington, Bridgerton and Cowper. Amen to this! They continue to play the same roles over and over with no room for growth. Her character was used to progress two white character's storylines. The first season consists of eight episodes with a runtime of 57-72 minutes each. && yeah, they could have made Marina a well-rounded character, but they made her a villain in Penelope's love story with Collin. I truly wanted to know about them. But good representation really matters, where people of colour are not just the side script to the larger story. It can't possibly be held accountable or a magic touch for the past wrongdoings of American culture and history. Either way there were plenty of moments that could have been taken from Daphne’s and the Duke’s sex scenes to flesh out other characters. Please see our rules for further info. However it does not mean it is above reproach. I believe I can appreciate the work and enjoy it while still examining the implications being swept under the rug. Bridgerton, whose massive wave of popularity is showing no signs of subsiding, is now Netflix’s biggest series ever by a wide margin.It pushed down to … Contrary to popular belief, Black people are not happy to just be “invited to the table”. If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. I also do not believe for one second the show was aiming to show that a dark-skinned male should or could be villainized. More posts from the BridgertonNetflix community. From race to incels, the modern "Bridgerton" twists hold a mirror up to today's shortcomings Showrunner Chris Van Dusen spoke to Salon … I sometimes feel like people forget that the american view of poc experience/history/culture isn't world view, especially when it comes to a show set in regency England with britsh actors and shown in over 190+ countries. This sumptuous Regency-era series is here to cheer us all up. Discussion of the show Bridgerton on Netflix. Lady Danbury acts as a Mr. Miyagi if you will but with no other description besides “she always says what’s on her mind to your face” because of course she does, that’s how older Black women are always portrayed. But now that you’ve brought it up, I wanna know about it. I guess that's why these discussions are happening. She’s just removed. Either way, the point I’m making is not “more black characters”, the point I’m making is more “diverse/feminine black characters”. It is definitely a leap forward and I can commend that, but my intention is to observe them from the angle of execution not intent. Yes. I do suspect this will come in future seasons but I’m not too sure. Renewed for Season 2! Basically best person cast. Premiered Dec 25, 2020. The story didn’t even bother explaining to us where she’s going. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Renewed for Season 2! I don't feel like black women have just been token characters. Thank you for such a great response. The do not exist apart from everyone else’s drama. When you criticize Marina or her storyline people are ready to point their finger at you, ready to call you racist and such all the while you don't think or have the same stereotypes they assume you do. I am examining the presence of black women in the show and their overall roles in the plot. The whole second episode is her being soft with baby Simon. I have read several of Julia Quinn’s fanciful romance novels. When focusing on Marina getting a HEA it's about the reality that for most black female characters it's rare a thing for that to occur. I think Regé is a very beautiful man and did a great portrayal of Simon, but I also recognize that part of his success in this role is because he has a lighter complexion. I hope so. Thank you, I am not American, and I find it unfair the discussions always end up around the race and not the storyline or journey of the character while the show is obviously trying to be more diverse and inclusive. Regé-Jean Page is departing the Netflix global sensation “Bridgerton” ahead of Season 2, which is going into production this spring. So yeah, they are "tokens." They then use her to be a reflection for Daphne to learn from. I am alienating the story from the underlying context of the characters in an attempt to explore the racial implications of progressive pieces such as this. I think it’s okay to be appreciative the inclusion yet still want more from the representation. This doesn't seem to be about diversity, but the concern that the call for diversity is causing people to discuss and advocate for changes in canon. She refuses to get married however she can’t take care of herself on her own. I can empathize with what you’re saying. In actuality It’s not about gratitude, it’s about exploring racial implications. compare to indians born in India - they're the same race/colour but different cultures and experiences. But the reality is the series is not an exact replica of the books. These are questions to which we never get answers. I just binged the show after a failed first attempt at watching, bc a podcast I respect mentioned a significant plot twist at the end. This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. The single black mother character is such a bad stereotype. If you see this as a complaint than perhaps you should read my disclaimer in the beginning again. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. Interesting how that perspective never occurred to me. I should say that I like the queen very much but once again she is undesirable. Now either way I think she is an amazing character and I love watching her, but I think she should get some soft moments as well like Eloise does. The Netflix hit departs from the homogeneous casting of most period drama, imagining a 19th-century Britain with Black royalty and aristocrats. We don’t see them overcome struggles or come to great enlightenments. Tokenism in relation to black women relate to things that you see white women experiencing that black women don’t such as desirability or loving families. Ginny is a “side character” in Harry Potter but she’s not a token White girl. They are minor characters. And worst of all, at the end of the series she just gets shipped away as if she never existed. I’m happy that just seeing Black people in a period piece was enough for some, but there is a season 2 coming, which means plenty of opportunity for Shonda & co to push even further. For the most part, the Black women in this show are either insignificant to the overall plot of the story or fall into the “undesirable/unlikeable/unattractive” bunch. A good example is the Queen who we get glimpses into, but never really see a development. All that you’ve mentioned about them is in the past, but what are they doing now? Yes these are side characters and no I don’t expect them to take up the majority of plot, but when characters are given ample screen time, I expect them to have some semblance of a formative arc. Much like the minstrel characters of black women you see in the late 19th / early 20th centuries. I just don’t feel like handing out A’s for effort no matter how much I like the show. I think that we can still like the show and the characters while recognizing that some stereotypes and social expectations are still being reinforced. It’s better than nothing. Yeah it's sad when people are killed because of their race, denied jobs because of their race, are not given prompt medical treatment because of their race, are assumed to be less educated, or criminals because of their race. Although the role for Marina was open casting and they went with the best actress. In Bridgerton, you have 4 of the major households black (Simon's, Queen, Danbury, Will's). Like I said, who or what is she now? I feel as tho they definitely dropped the ball with her character but hopefully she comes back next season for some kind of redemption. This is my least favorite kind of racial condescension. Just the fact that you said the whole show would change if Daphne was Black proves that “color” is always part of the conversation even when it’s not. Prior to … American poc viewers may see Marina as a stereotype black single mom, which may not be the case, for instance, for the britsh audience or the rest of the world, where single moms stereotypes are more about class, being poor, than race. It was a quiet week on the TV Awards front, with the calendar largely going dark after the March 24 Producers Guild of America Awards, where many of … Well you have to understand that there are a lot of damaging stereotypes that poc characters endure. 'Bridgerton' star Nicola Coughlan claps back at critics of the show's diversity The show, which debuted on December 25, is projected to be viewed by … Reddit LinkedIn WhatsApp Email ... as the society’s diversity is explained by a storyline within the show. The show is always gonna be about a Bridgerton-sibling as the main character, and there are 8 of them, and asking for the supporting women characters to be black and all have big storylines is maybe a bit too much. I think we’re making progress, but it’s important to recognize that there are still limits so we can work on moving them. Diversity in Bridgerton (here for it!) For all her “strength” who really wants to be Marina at the end of the day? This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. I’m not backing OP bc I share their opinion, per se. Just the fact that we’re willing to watch season 2 means that we like the content yet still are looking for improvements. We're not asking for these characters to be pure and perfect, we're asking them not to continue damaging stereotypes and using poc characters as tools. Many feel so very progressive that they even watched the show, and that they accepted the racial diversity without judgment (big pat on our backs!). && for Simon's father to be a dark-skinned black man that was abusive, where Simon and his mother are both light-skinned, is colourist and damaging. is different from seeing from, for instance, UK's p.o.v. Regardless, I feel it necessary to reaffirm that my post isn’t a complaint, it’s an analysis and essentially it seems like you’re just telling me to “be grateful Black people are in this at all”. The Queen and Danbury Having power is essentially irrelevant because in the end power doesn’t make them multi dimensional. There are some things that people can readily believe and accept... and for BIPOCs, there are structural and societal limits to what those things are. The situation between her and George really meant anything and the stakes were never high enough to be fully invested into the story since it was pretty clear George was never coming around anyway. The point is that these Black women are all merely plot devices for the story and act as either supporters or antagonists to the main characters.

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